Modern cars you reckon are future classics.

"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer) 06/25/2018 at 08:26 • Filed to: None

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I submit a truck.... A dime a million F150:But hear me out. This is no normal 12th generation f-150 because it has the 3.5 twin turbo v6. It’s both the first f 150 with a turbocharged gasoline engine, and the last F-150 to use a steel construction rather than an aluminum affair. It was also the first F150 with a Raptor model, if that makes a difference.

I don’t know much about the ecoboost motor because the 12th gen Ford Lobo was mostly sold with the V8, but it’s probably a fairly uncommon engine in the 12th gen trucks since it was only sold for three years (2011-2014) and despite the good performance, it was bound to be overshadowed by the Raptor.

I also think that the F30 Active Hybrid 3 will be a future classic, sold in small numbers due to it’s price and not necessarily worthy performance, to that just add the fact that after the LCI it was replaced by a four cylinder hybrid. Can you think of any other hybrid i6 BMWs apart from the other sales flop, the AH5? no... you can’t.

So, what cars do you think will be future classics? Here are the rules:

1. It must be a car that was meant to be high volume
2.It must be 2005 or newer
3.It must’ve not appreciated since it was sold new yet.
4.It can’t be a car that is a bound to be classic because of environmental factors (say, a 328d holding it’s value for longer for being a diesel in the US).

xyzabc > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 08:33

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pip bip - choose Corrour > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 08:33

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Chev SS?

Spanfeller is a twat > xyzabc 06/25/2018 at 08:34

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I was thinking about that, get the v6 turbo model with the stick and you’ll be the king of BAT in 20  years

Quadradeuce > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 08:35

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Pontiac Solstice GXP COUPE.

xyzabc > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 08:36

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That’s a 2014 CTS-V Coupe. Think you’re referring to the ATS Coupe...another great choice.

Nibby > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 08:36

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2005-2006 Taurus

Spanfeller is a twat > Nibby 06/25/2018 at 08:37

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Y tho

Spanfeller is a twat > Quadradeuce 06/25/2018 at 08:37

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OMG WHY ARE WE SHOUTING 

Nibby > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 08:37

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Spanfeller is a twat > Nibby 06/25/2018 at 08:38

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I’d submit the taurus X 

djmt1 > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 08:39

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JZX 110 Mark 2

The last of JDM crazy turbo tuners.

The last car to come with a 1JZ GTE.

The last Toyota RWD manual saloon.

Spanfeller is a twat > xyzabc 06/25/2018 at 08:39

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Yeah, Cadillacs are low volume. Not my cup of tea but I can understand their appeal and respect their mechanical competence 

Nibby > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 08:40

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xxxTaurusxxx

Spanfeller is a twat > djmt1 06/25/2018 at 08:41

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When can it reach America? 

Biggus Dickus (RevsBro) > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 08:43

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E9X M3. 

Spanfeller is a twat > Biggus Dickus (RevsBro) 06/25/2018 at 08:46

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Last hydraulic power steering M3

Only NA V8 M3

Last NA M3

Seems like a winner 

djmt1 > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 08:47

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2025 and then they can ruin the value of these like they are t o  the other JZX cars at the moment. I need to get in quick because I'd love some JZX goodness in my life. 

Spanfeller is a twat > pip bip - choose Corrour 06/25/2018 at 08:49

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Low volume, its a manual v8 saloon... yeah checks out. I just wonder how popular the VF will be in America once it’s legal to bring them from Aus with the local engines

functionoverfashion > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 08:56

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I don’t know how late they made them, but at my previous job we had a 2002 Ford F350 regular cab, long bed, 4x4 with a gas V10 and a 6 speed manual. I loved that truck dearly, but so did everyone else so it got driven - a lot. And hard. Towing boats all summer and plowing all winter. Manual everything, radio only. No features.

Amazingly, it’s still alive. The bed fell off years ago and we put a nice flatbed on it about 5-6 years ago (before I left that job). I’ve seen it at the current owner’s place, they’re using it for a landscaping business, so, more hard work for that poor truck. Find me one of those that hasn’t been beaten to death and that’s a future classic for me.

Like this (it was even this color) but the V10.

xyzabc > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 08:59

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Hang in there. Riding in electric cars will make every traditional automotive sound seem loud. Takes time to  adjust...

xyzabc > djmt1 06/25/2018 at 09:08

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“...manual saloon..”

Is that like a Pub  where you pour your own beer?

punkgoose17 > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 09:10

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RX-8, Abarth 500, and Taurus SHO

404 - User No Longer Available > Quadradeuce 06/25/2018 at 09:18

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Hardly high volume. Only around 65k of all models in total were produced over 2006-2010.

interstate366, now In The Industry > djmt1 06/25/2018 at 09:19

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There was a wagon version of this called the Mark II  Blit that was sold from 2002 to 2007. You can find examples of them for shockingly little money.

404 - User No Longer Available > pip bip - choose Corrour 06/25/2018 at 09:20

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I say the G8 by extension also qualifies.

pip bip - choose Corrour > 404 - User No Longer Available 06/25/2018 at 09:25

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agreed.

G8 GXP especially.

TysMagic > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 09:25

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I feel like my Abarth will be reviewed as a classic at some point in the future. Possibly my wife’s baby blue beetle as well. Retro design so already “classically inspired”  perhaps a bit of a cheat to what you’re asking.

Pickup_man > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 09:35

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I think all trucks become classics at some point, purely due to the nature that they pretty much all get used up eventually and the few that survive in pristine condition are bound to demand at least a small premium. As for a run of the mill F-150, I don’t think it will ever be worth much. W hile the first eco-boost/last steel truck thing is a little unique the eco-boost was pretty widely accepted, and pretty quickly. The V8 trucks are actually harder to find, so I think those will command more someday. The Raptor however is clearly a future classic and will likely over shadow every other F-150 of that generation.

As for my pick for a future classic, I’ll still with trucks, and the same gen F-150 too. The F-150 Tremor.

Regular cab short beds always go for more money, and this is a mild performance truck at that. They only time the Eco-Boost was offered in regular cab short box trim, and a nice subtle appearance package to set it apart. On the tails of the Lightning however the Tremor failed to live up to the hype (even though it’s faster) and was never deemed a worthy Lightning successor. I don’t believe sales were great, so rarity will likely also be a factor. I fully expect these to climb in value eventually. 

djmt1 > interstate366, now In The Industry 06/25/2018 at 09:38

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I know but after 05 they’re auto onl y and turboless. 

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 09:39

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C63 AMG Because M156 V8

Caymans with flat six before they went turbo 4 with 718

Dodge Viper beccause should I even explain this?

CTS-V Wagon

Basically performance cars that went from NA to Turbo, and/or were discontinued

syaieya > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 09:40

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Any SLK with a manual transmission. But especially the 6 cylinders. So about 1% of whats on sale. 

If thats too exclusive though, scions with the weird dealer options. Most everything they made atleast looked unique and thats 75% of what makes the future classics that arent "because racecar"

Spanfeller is a twat > xyzabc 06/25/2018 at 09:43

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What about the Cadillac XLR

Spanfeller is a twat > Pickup_man 06/25/2018 at 09:44

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I was gonna add that a small cab ecoboost would be the one to go for

Spanfeller is a twat > syaieya 06/25/2018 at 09:46

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Why do people buy autos in exotic cara if the manuals always keep their value more? They tell you that at the dealer. 

404 - User No Longer Available > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 09:50

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128i Convertible. Last NA I 6, 4-seater RWD compact convertible with a fabric top . 2-series went full turbo, and the convertible is being dropped this year.

Spanfeller is a twat > 404 - User No Longer Available 06/25/2018 at 09:52

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Seems like a spiritual successor to something, maybe a convertible e36 if that ever was a thing

Spanfeller is a twat > 404 - User No Longer Available 06/25/2018 at 09:55

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I think the Kappas wanted to be high volume, but failed due to bad market analysis.... with those rules I wanted to disqualify obvious cars like the special edition 911s and the M  1 coupe.

Pickup_man > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 09:56

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Apart from the Tremor the 3.5 Eco-Boost was only available in base trim long bed trucks, which is what made the Tremor special. Why Ford decided that I don’t know, but if you wanted a regular cab short bed truck you were stuck with the 5.0 or the small eco-boost, and I think the highest trim level available was the XLT.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Pickup_man 06/25/2018 at 09:57

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There are no shortage of regu la r cab, short bed trucks with the ecoboost. They only become uncommon i f you also have to have the short gears and towing package in a non-work truck configuration.

404 - User No Longer Available > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 09:57

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Well you know there are so many freakin’ special edition 911s you might as well call them regular production, lol.

Spanfeller is a twat > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 06/25/2018 at 09:57

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I can’t say the Viper was meant to be a mass market car (those were hand built for crissake!) but I agree to the rest, specially boxer 6 caymans. 

Spanfeller is a twat > Pickup_man 06/25/2018 at 09:59

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Maybe it was to avoid canibalizing raptor or Coyote sales? Plus, it was back when the v6 ecoboost was still proving itself; I cant blame them for playing it safe

404 - User No Longer Available > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 09:59

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OK I’m confused about Rule #1 now... you just said the SS is low-volume yet it checks out?

Spanfeller is a twat > 404 - User No Longer Available 06/25/2018 at 10:00

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I just don’t want a th read filled with 1Ms and 911Rs

Think a little! 

Spanfeller is a twat > 404 - User No Longer Available 06/25/2018 at 10:01

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It was an unexpected sales flop, GM wanted to sell like 4x more of them, plus the VF is fairly common is Aussieland

404 - User No Longer Available > pip bip - choose Corrour 06/25/2018 at 10:01

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But that puts it back into “low-volume” territory. On a second thought I don’t think the SS qualifies either. It was meant to use up parts prior closing up the plant, thus it was never meant to be sold in volume.

Whereas the G8 V6/GT were meant to replace the Grand Prix as a volume car, I think at once point local production was also considered, but then Chapter 11 happened.

Quadradeuce > 404 - User No Longer Available 06/25/2018 at 10:03

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The criteria was that it was meant to be high volume, not that it achieved that volume. I certainly think GM wanted to sell as many Kappas as possible, unlike the Chevy SS which was just there to fulfill an export contract with Holden.

interstate366, now In The Industry > djmt1 06/25/2018 at 10:03

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The wagons are all auto-only, forgot to add that . But yeah, they stopped selling the turbo after 05.

Spanfeller is a twat > 404 - User No Longer Available 06/25/2018 at 10:03

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Yes, I think you’re right to disqualify the VF, even with the reasons I gave to keep it.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 10:10

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Cayman GT4 stands a good chance.

200 series Land Cruiser

5th gen 4runner (especially if the next gen goes unibody)

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 10:11

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Agreed on Viper . Relevant link btw:

https://carbuzz.com/news/final-dodge-challenger-demon-and-viper-sold-for-a-combined-1-million

Spanfeller is a twat > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 06/25/2018 at 10:14

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Gt4 too low volume and already appreciating.

4runners might just! 

Pickup_man > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 06/25/2018 at 10:20

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With the 3.5? I could have sworn that the 3.5 wasn’t available in reg cab short bed configuration. Guess I should clarify as I know the 2.7 is available.

Edit: Just checked Ford’s website, 3.5 Eco-Boost not available in reg cab short bed configuration. 

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 10:22

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1st generation Genesis sedan R-spec with the 5.0 Tau engine. not many came that way, before the re-design.

G8 GT, GXP, Chevy SS, and maybe bundle the ergonomically-problematic Kappas in there, just because they will be rare.

Lotus Evora.

Volt, CR-Z, Bolt, and other early hybrid/electrics... which could be a positive or negative depending on whether you like them or not , and which end of the battery pack you are on.

... I think most new affordable cars are boring as watching dry paint fade... so I am having trouble with the possibility of them becoming classics. Trying to predict what will be largely  disposed of, then rare, then prized later is a tricky guessing game.

... and expensive cars might as well already be classics from the moment they roll off the line , for what they cost.

Pickup_man > Pickup_man 06/25/2018 at 10:24

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Replying to clarify, the Tremor was the only reg cab short bed truck to offer the 3.5 Eco-Boost . The 2.7 Eco-Boost was an option on all regular cab short bed trucks. 

Spanfeller is a twat > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 06/25/2018 at 10:26

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I need a CR-Z. Manual. 

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Pickup_man 06/25/2018 at 10:40

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Yes, the 3.5 isn’t available in the current trucks. Considering that my rc/sb 2.7 is traction limited below about 60mph, that’s probably not a bad a thing. You can get the 5.0 in a rc/sb, but I’m not really sure why.

Pickup_man > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 06/25/2018 at 10:57

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That’s what I meant, the 3.5 which generally, in my experience, is what Eco-Boost refers to, but I should have clarified.

That’s why I think the Tremor will be sought after, because it was the only time you could the the 3.5EB, Ford’s highest performance truck engine, in reg cab short bed form.

Because V8 noises and hot rod potential, that’s why. Other than that, yeah, just get the 2.7, much better all around option. 

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 11:07

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It took me seeing this post three times to realize you were saying reckon.

And easy- the Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky twins. Heck, they’ve already started rising in value- some rare/high end/low mile ones are selling for at least what they sold new for, but I don’t consider them as having appreciated yet, as the vast majority are worth less than half what they were new.

syaieya > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 11:37

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While I hessitate to call an SLK exotic, top gear often refering to that niche as “hair dressers cars”, what I see in a lot of your high output, flashy cars is that theyre sold to people that want to be seen in the car in the now than any kind of investment strategy.

Cars, especially new cars are so rarely a good financial investment. And for the vain people who are afraid of stalling out their aston martin at a light, an automatic just makes more sense. Also take into account that so many people who can afford these cars are up there in age. Possibly with knee problems.

TLDR, even exotics are bought by people who couldnt be bothered with resale value or the hassle of a manual

Spanfeller is a twat > syaieya 06/25/2018 at 11:41

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I mean, it’s drastic, a manual f575 might go for 20-30,000 euros more than an F1 one.

If I was buying an exotic, I’d just try to deal with the consequences of havi a special car and get rhe manual. Even on a semi regular car like a Cayman. 

Spanfeller is a twat > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 06/25/2018 at 11:43

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Fixed!

Many are pointing at the Kappas, but some point out that it’s a given those cars will be classics due to their odd situation 

thejustache > Spanfeller is a twat 06/25/2018 at 12:30

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I’d like to think the Outback XT with a manual might become a classic someday, and not just because I own one I’d like to hang on to until that happens (:

Long overshadowed by both the WRX, it’s sibling the Legacy GT, and the Forester XT it’s very much the cheapest way into a turbo Subaru . That said it’s also lifted on outback springs, so it doesn’t make a lot of sense to the performance crowd. I struggled with that too at first, considering dropping it on Legacy GT suspension like some people do but instead I decided to embrace the outback-ness and just uncorked the exhaust, tuned it to an easy 300hp   and left it as is . I’m really glad I did!

There will be other wagons with turbo motors , and lifted wagons with awd, and maybe even wagons with a manual. I have a sad feeling however that we might never again see the combination of all of those things in one that Subaru gave us from 2005-2008. Right after this the Outback moved from wagon to full on SUV and dropped the turbo and eventually the manual too. It was the end of an era